Matt Barton managed to pull Richard Garriott in for a third chat. This time around, the two men discuss indie games, ethical systems, and (naturally) the Ultima series:

What’s interesting here, as Inifitron Dragon observed on the Ultima Dragons Facebook group, is that if Garriott is remembering facts and details correctly, the creation of the Eight Virtues in Ultima 4 was not primarily motivated by the moral panic over Dungeons & Dragons and violence in computer games in the 1980s, but by Garriott’s desire to encourage players to choose heroic behaviour, and to up-end the traditional RPG “min-max” playstyle.

At any rate, give it a watch. As is always the case with the good Mr. Barton, it’s an engaging interview.